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# analog-designs

Stefan Schippers

10/27/2020, 2:35 PM Copy code

```
XR1 M net1 B sky130_fd_pr__res_iso_pw W=2.65 L=2.65 mult=1 m=1
XR2 M net2 B sky130_fd_pr__res_generic_nd W=1 L=1 mult=1 m=1
XR3 M net3 B sky130_fd_pr__res_generic_pd W=1 L=1 mult=1 m=1
XR5 M net5 B sky130_fd_pr__res_high_po W=1 L=1 mult=1 m=1
XR6 M net6 B sky130_fd_pr__res_high_po_0p35 W=0.35 L=1 mult=1 m=1
XR7 M net7 B sky130_fd_pr__res_high_po_0p69 W=0.69 L=0.69 mult=1 m=1
XR8 M net8 B sky130_fd_pr__res_high_po_1p41 W=1.41 L=1.41 mult=1 m=1
XR9 M net9 B sky130_fd_pr__res_xhigh_po W=1 L=1 mult=1 m=1
XR10 M net10 B sky130_fd_pr__res_xhigh_po_0p35 W=0.35 L=0.35 mult=1 m=1
XR11 M net11 B sky130_fd_pr__res_xhigh_po_0p69 W=0.69 L=0.69 mult=1 m=1
XR12 M net12 B sky130_fd_pr__res_xhigh_po_1p41 W=1.41 L=1.41 mult=1 m=1
```

Resistors with _0pnn or_1pnn suffixes can be used only with specified width.
For capacitors here is a sample for vertical metal capacitors:
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`XC2 G 0 0 0 sky130_fd_pr__cap_vpp_11p5x11p7_l1m1m2m3m4_shieldm5 W=1 L=1 mult=1 m=1`

and these are mim (Metal-Insulator-Metal) capacitors:
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```
XC6 c0 c1 sky130_fd_pr__cap_mim_m3_1 W=1 L=1 MF=1
XC7 c0 c1 sky130_fd_pr__cap_mim_m3_2 W=1 L=1 MF=1
```

Values for resistances must be calculated from process parameters: Rho for resistors and capacitance per unit area for caps.
As an experimental feature xschem on some resistors is displaying the nominal value (keep in mind that silicon resistors are not perfectly constant, they vary with biasing conditions and temperature). If people like that i can add this for capacitors and remaining resistors.d

diadatp

10/27/2020, 2:45 PMp

Pepijn de Vos

10/27/2020, 3:01 PMWhoa, that's very cool. Did you manually extract the equation, or do you just ask spice for it somehow?

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Stefan Schippers

10/27/2020, 3:12 PMno just simple "rho * L/W" calculation. I got the sheet resistance from the skywater docs

Stefan Schippers

10/27/2020, 3:13 PMthis is just an approximate value, the nominal resitance, say...

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Pepijn de Vos

10/27/2020, 3:14 PMHm, so capacitance would need to be W*H and then something with permitivity of the insulator and the distance... are these also in the skywater docs?

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Stefan Schippers

10/27/2020, 3:15 PMyes they already do the calculation based on oxide thickness and insulator, so you get a capacitance per area, all you need to do is multiply W xL

Stefan Schippers

10/27/2020, 3:18 PMthe only issue i must take care for is that in spice you can give values with suffixes, (n, u, m, k, meg, g) a number like 1e6u will not be recognized as '1' so i have to write a simple parser that recognizes these engineering suffixes, otherwise i get wrong calculations.

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Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 11:22 AM.model mcm3d c tc1 = 0 tc2 = 0 cox = {cm3d} capsw = {cm3dsw} w = {wminm3} tref = 25.0

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 11:22 AMfor this model can i use the name of the capacitor as c1 in my design

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 11:49 AMand also i have one doubt is that in the pdk test files of nfet_01v8 (finding vth) they simply wrote the resistors as R1 only and also they have included the lib files present in r+c folder

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 11:51 AM* Transistor Vth and I-V characteristic
.param TEMP=27
.option scale=1E-6
* Include SkyWater sky130 device models
.include "../../../models/r+c/res_typical__cap_typical__lin.spice"
.include "../../../models/r+c/res_typical__cap_typical.spice"
.include "../../../models/corners/tt.spice"
* Gate bias
Rg 1 2 680
X1 3 2 0 0 sky130_fd_pr__nfet_01v8
Rd 3 4 100
* DC source for current measure
Vid 5 4 DC 0V
Vgb 1 0 DC 0V
Vdd 5 0 DC 3.3V
.control
* Sweep Vds from 0 to 1.8V
dc Vdd 0 1.8 0.01 Vgb 0 1.2 0.01
wrdata sky130_fd_pr__nfet_01v8__iv.data Vid#branch V(1) V(3)
* Sweep Vgs from 0 to 1.2V
dc Vgb 0 1.2 0.01
# Find threshold
let ih=Vid#branch[98]
let il=Vid#branch[85]
let vh=V(2)[98]
let vl=V(2)[85]
let vth=((vl - vh) / (ih - il)) * ih + vh
echo threshold voltage
print vth
quit
.endc
.end

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 11:51 AMthe above is one of the test file

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 11:52 AMand they have used normal R1 to name their resistor and they have also included spice files stating that the name of the model R1 exists. is my assumption correct.

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 11:55 AM* MiM capacitor value test
.param TEMP=27
* Include SkyWater sky130 device models
.lib "sky130_fd_pr/models/sky130.lib.spice" tt
.param freq = 1Meg
.csparam freq = {freq}
* Resistor bridge with capacitance
V1 N2 0 1.8
IAC N3 N4 dc 0 ac 1
*X1 N3 N4 sky130_fd_pr__cap_mim_m3_1 W=1 L=1 MF=1
C34 N3 N4 50E-15
R1 N3 0 1.1Meg
R2 N4 0 1.2Meg
R3 N2 N3 1.3Meg
R4 N2 N4 1.4Meg
.ac lin 1 {freq} {freq}
.control
run
echo capacitance
print imag(1/v(N4,N3))/2/PI/freq
quit
.endc
.end

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 11:56 AMsee that in this file it will execute for both conventions C34 and X1 but the results vary because for C34 we are specifying 50E-15

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 11:57 AMwhereas for X1 based on the W and L values it will give the results.

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 11:59 AMso my doubt is that ,if i name resistor and capacitor as R and C by including the libraries as mentioned above will the PDK files are really included in my circuit or (some default resistor/capacitor conventions in ngspice will substitute it)??

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Stefan Schippers

10/28/2020, 2:42 PMa

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 2:48 PMThank you. I just got to know about this

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 2:49 PMIs it ok if I take values of L and W in the range of 500 ?

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 2:49 PMTo get a capacitor value of the order or 1e-10

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Stefan Schippers

10/28/2020, 2:52 PM500 means 500 micron, half millimeter, this is a big number. For capacitors a reasonable value for L / W is 5, 10, 20. For resistors the width is fixed for some (0.35 for res_high_po_0p35) while the length may vary from fraction of micron (0.5 example) to bigger quantities (10? 20? ) don't exactly know the limits.

Stefan Schippers

10/28/2020, 2:59 PMa

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 3:00 PMX1 0 A 0 sky130_fd_pr__res_high_po_5p73 l=7.6

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 3:00 PMthis one is giving me 500ohms

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 3:01 PMX1 N3 N4 sky130_fd_pr__cap_mim_m3_1 W=500 L=200 MF=1

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 3:01 PMX1 N3 N4 sky130_fd_pr__cap_mim_m3_1 W=500 L=500 MF=1

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Stefan Schippers

10/28/2020, 3:01 PMyes make sense, this one has L=7.6 and W=5.73

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Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 3:01 PMthe above two giving me the values like 500p and 200p for capacitances

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 3:02 PMcan i directly write like these or should i take series caps

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Stefan Schippers

10/28/2020, 3:02 PMyes makes sense

Stefan Schippers

10/28/2020, 3:02 PMjust try. If values are not allowed ngspice will flag an error

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Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 3:03 PMi have tried and getting the required values but is there a problem when implementing the layout?

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 3:03 PMin ngspice it is ok for now

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 3:04 PMwhen i go to layout what problem can i get with those big W and L values

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Stefan Schippers

10/28/2020, 3:04 PMDon't know exactly the design rules for layout, so you need to find out 🙂

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Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 3:05 PMok thank you. so if ngspice gives no error the my W and L vaues are fine right?

Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 3:05 PMthen#

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Stefan Schippers

10/28/2020, 3:05 PMyes but layout drc rules might have some more requirements / limits.

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Ashok Kumar

10/28/2020, 3:06 PMok i'll try to simulate with small L and W values. thank you.☺️

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